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Post by cam on Nov 1, 2012 16:58:40 GMT
Winter is usually all chub for me but this year i want to mix it up and to this end i am going to have a go for Pike .i dont want to go down the livebait or deadbait method i want to do on lures .i have loads i can try but i have seen how successful one paticular lure is but i cannot find one ...this is annoying so i hope someone can shed some light .
the lurein question is a tench ..a good copy really its got to be twelve inches long and if it were real it would be a pound and a half ..i know a chap that is having a fantastic time on my local river catching pike galore he has had a number of twentys and its not unusual for him to take twelve to fifeteen fish a day ...always on the same lure ..seems to me they like it
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Post by Daz on Nov 1, 2012 17:52:49 GMT
Winter is usually all chub for me but this year i want to mix it up and to this end i am going to have a go for Pike .i dont want to go down the livebait or deadbait method i want to do on lures .i have loads i can try but i have seen how successful one paticular lure is but i cannot find one ...this is annoying so i hope someone can shed some light . the lurein question is a tench ..a good copy really its got to be twelve inches long and if it were real it would be a pound and a half ..i know a chap that is having a fantastic time on my local river catching pike galore he has had a number of twentys and its not unusual for him to take twelve to fifeteen fish a day ...always on the same lure ..seems to me they like it i read an artical a few years back that said on some waters pike turn onto the tench as there main feed ? i will keep my eye open for you cam  |
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 1, 2012 19:03:53 GMT
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Post by massivepotatoes on Nov 1, 2012 20:17:43 GMT
That adipose fin is a dead give away. No pike will think that's a tench until the adipose fin is gone.
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Post by Daz on Nov 2, 2012 6:02:54 GMT
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Post by cam on Nov 2, 2012 14:29:32 GMT
well its close but to small and to dark ...
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 2, 2012 19:53:14 GMT
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Post by cam on Nov 3, 2012 21:00:23 GMT
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Post by cam on Nov 3, 2012 21:13:29 GMT
thanks for trying Terry seems i am gonna have to run into the lad again and ask him where ..he has told the baliff they are fourteen quid so not cheap ..i read the posts on the other site seem a nice bunch .going to have a bit of a go tommorow if river continues to clear ...
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 3, 2012 21:14:17 GMT
Thats one hell of a lure, I hope you have a beefy rod.
I guess on your southern rivers and the stock of trout they have it is a viable choice and at that price it's cracking value.
Terry
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Post by cam on Nov 3, 2012 21:26:07 GMT
i thought about rod choice for these big lures and i have decided to give my 12 to twenty pound suveran a run out .i have a terry eustace pike rod i suppose about 2lb test curve and i have a rake of three to three and a half pound tc carp rods ..but i dont think they are man enough to get these things moving ...i will report back ...reel will be a shimano 8000 d series baitrunner with forty pound braid thirty pound fluro leader and a spin trace .i have some large plugs and big shads to play with at the mo so may use the pike rod for them
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 3, 2012 21:31:05 GMT
I know one thing.....when you get a hit on that you will sure as hell know about it!!
Having said that I had a 10" jointed plug years ago and the best I had on it was a 6 with several under 3lbs. Yet you will see twenties caught on little sprats.
There are no 'sure things' in fishing, that's what makes it so great!
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Post by jono on Nov 4, 2012 20:59:05 GMT
Hello, if you are going to use lures of this size I would recommend uping your 40lb braid to at least 80lb (100lb plus for me) to avoid crackoffs, also I would be worried about using 30lb fluro as a trace for pike fishing even with small lures let alone lures of this size. I would get some decent Ti or steel leaders again of at least 80lb. This may sound overgunned but should ensure that any pike hooked doesnt part your tackle and swim away with a lure and its treble hooks stuck in its throat.
cheers Mark
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Post by cam on Nov 4, 2012 23:08:21 GMT
i have a steel leader on amd i use the fluro as a buffer between the braid and the tracelength .last thing i would want is to leave a pike with a treble in it ..why do you feel forty pound braid is not enough .i am not apike angler in the slightest i have only ever had one twenty and its not normally my cup of tea .reccomended line strength for the club water i am fishing is minimum 15lb mono or twenty pound braid i thought forty should be enough ive had congers to ninety pound on it .i am keen to get it right though as one of the reasons i have avoided pike fishing in the last forty years is some of the horrific scenesi have witnessed as a waterbaliff ..i found two lads using banksticks to try and get a set of trebles out of a pikes throat .in my limited experiance lures dont get swallowed so i thought it a better way to target these fish .i have mates who fish for these creatures a lot so maybe a day with one of them would help ...anyway have a look at this www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=realistic%20soft%20baits%20&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.castaicswimbait.com%2F&ei=IvGWUNWhEarK0QX97YHgCg&usg=AFQjCNEVrnDkCrTGIYZ4XGr4VjrqOxJESQ |
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Post by jono on Nov 5, 2012 23:17:16 GMT
hello Cam, I didnt realise you were using steel trace and thought you were using fluro as your trace ( which a lot of people do) using the steel trace will stop bight offs and for playing and landing pike 40lb braid is upto the job, i use 50lb for bait fishing for pike.
The reason i use such heavy braid (80lb plus when using big lures ) is to aviod crackoffs on the cast, the rubber trout that was shown earlier in this thread is 12oz...continually casting that any distance on 40lb braid could easily result in a crackoff. Also using long carp rods to cast lures of this size would be hard work, it would be a lot easier to use a dedicated jerkbait rod.
As for going with your mates, if they lure fish seriously have a word / day with them and look at the gear they are using. Also if you are using big lures that have thick guage hooks please dont use forceps (for your safety) get a big long (11") pair of pliers....I have heard of some bad injuries when people clamp forceps to thick hooks and stick there finger and thumb through the handles, when a big pike roles somethng has to give, with thin hooks its usually the hook, but with say strong 3/0 or 4/0 trebles your finger would go before the hook. I mainly lure fish these days so if you have any more questions give us a shout and i'll do my best to help...oh forgot to mention I tie my trace direct to my braid and dont use a fluro buffer, it doesnt bother the pike even when using 140lb braid and 100lb ti leader...also pike can still swallow lures down albeit they dont get gut hooked as they can when bait fishing, just last week a mid double took a 1ft long lure down in one go, the nose of the lure was about 4-6" down in the pikes mouth with a foot of lure behind it. As i say if you have any more questions give me a shout..cheers Mark
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Post by cam on Nov 7, 2012 0:02:40 GMT
CHEERS MARK.unhooking from the bank at least i am ok with .
I have probably only caught fifty pike in my life ,however you could easily double the amount i have unhooked .i was a baliff for eleven years .you are correct about the long nosed pliers i use them for alot of my fishing .
heres my very first question of you ....i got a lot of shads for cod fishing ..pre rigged with weight and hook ..are they okay for pike or do they need trebles .
my pb pike is 20lb 4oz on a live bait and 18lb 12oz on a fly ,but just 11lb on a plug ....i have been told they need fish baits live or dead when it gets cold ..lures are for summer is this right or bullshit
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 7, 2012 6:32:40 GMT
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Post by jono on Nov 7, 2012 20:27:12 GMT
Depends on the pre rigged shads really and the venue, most of the pre rigged ones fish too deep for the venues that I fish, so I buy the shads unrigged and buy jig heads separate, then I can get them to fish as shallow or deep as I like, I vary rarely buy pre rigged for piking. If I am using lures upto 4inch I am happy to just have the jig head, with a general rule of thumb being 2/0 for 2inch lure, 3/0 for 3" and 4/0 for 4". When I go over 4 inch lure (which is most of the time) I add a stinger treble, when I get over 8inch I add two stingers with 3/0 hooks. But when I use a stinger (or two) I cut the hook of the jig head flush with the lure and just use the jig head to get the desired depth and to hold the shad in place, reason for this is that if you have a hook coming of the back of a soft lure and from the underneath, when a pike takes all of the lure in one go it can "stitch" the pikes mouth shut making unhooking hard work. Talking about unhooking I always carry a pair of mini bolt cutters, so that any awkwardly positioned hooks can be snipped off easily, then the hooks replaced with new ones. Anyway back to the shads and jig heads the big hammer shads at agm discount tackle are a good starting point(company has nothing to do with me but has always given excellent service) if your after big lures the boneyard 11" grubs are good catchers and good value for money.
As for lures in winter...you can definitely catch any month of the year even when parts of the lake are frozen on lures. I am no expert pike angler and have not even been lure fishing for that long, about six years on the lures. But since switching from bait (live or dead) to lures I would say my catch rate has improved by at least 10-1 even in the depths of winter. I now only go bait fishing if I want a lazy day or a social with mates, even if the conditions are freezing if I HAD to catch a pike I would take lures.
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Post by cam on Nov 8, 2012 0:04:06 GMT
thank you so much for that info nothing quite like hearing what you wanted to hear .
Thing is i have fished hard for many species pike not being one of them .and when i get my head on it can become a ten year slog .
This has to be done now before i have to go back to sitting down fishing .
i have come to realise why i take my chair barbel fishing .its because barbel fishing involves a lot of the time doing nothing and waiting .and doing nothing and waiting is best done sitting down .
always loved the flyfishing when i had waters with big fish in but it is a hell of a price to do regular .i really think lure pike fishing appeals big time to me and brilliant news i have talked my longtime fishing partner into it as well .and you get more exercise .its a win win situation .
seems mean really we got about four miles of river which we can kayak fish which contains pike well into twenty pounds ,oh and about another forty miles of river we cannot kayak fish in and a few lakes .we are going friday for a fish and a recky of a fifeteen acre lake we can fish which contains a number of large pike .
softly softly catch a monkey we are taking more modest lures this time i have some savage roach lures i fancy would work and si is going to use shads and we both have a dexter plug with a segmented body ...bass like it .
if the river is back in its banks and the colour has also dropped out we will have sat sunday and monday to start our pike lure fishing winter ...if not maybe back to the lake ...be nice to think we could get one day in the yak .the wind is far to much to go to sea and i am banned cos of a hernia.. but the river is fine even in a force six but pointless if its still horrible mud colour .thank you for the lure suggestions i will look at that site .could you give me a idea of rods suitable for chucking the big boys about .not interested in stupid money but up to one and a half.
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 8, 2012 0:17:44 GMT
Good luck Cam how the hell do you get the chance for so much fishing? I would get lynched ....
Let us know how you get on.
AGM?? A few of us have used then excellent service.
Terry
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Post by jono on Nov 8, 2012 18:35:39 GMT
Hello cam, your venues sound ideal, don't be fooled into thinking small lures on a reccy even modest jacks will hit eight inch plus lures. Iv had some funny looks throwing ten inch castaics on the local canal and heard other anglers comments like "he must be fishing for sharks using that" and as they are laughing at the size of the lure, a two or three pound jack wallops it..
For rods any decent rated jerk bait rod will be better than a carp rod for throwing big lures especially matched with a multiplier (Abu 6501c3 is my choice) and some 80lb plus braid. I know it sounds over the top but it makes fishing the big lures so much easier. Have a look on eBay something rated 4oz plus and between 6 or 7ft would be a good starting point.
Cheers mark
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Post by cam on Nov 9, 2012 0:04:57 GMT
cheers again ..i have not got any small multiplers anymore i destroyed a abu torque in ten months so smallest multiplers i have are penn 525 mags ...i know what you mean about other anglers thinking you are a noddy ..gives ultimate pleasure to show them different .
Terry i booked this long weekend eight months ago to spend with my daughter and my expected grandson ...he is hanging about cos its to cold for him so the weekend is all mine ...cheers Ted i like you already ..
The better half is going down to plymouth anyway but its best i just go fishing cos i would only be in the way
I suggested my grandson should have a mobile above his bed ...oh thats nice dad what sort of mobile ...WELL ..i thought ragworm lugworm limpet maggot and mackeral strip and cuttlefish and cheese paste ..daughter said NO..
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 9, 2012 9:38:34 GMT
Grandkids....love 'em. Couldn't eat a whole one though. ( Old ones are the best!)
Someone else for me to bore with fishing and paddling stories.
A whole long I weekend? Lucky sod!
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Post by cam on Nov 10, 2012 13:08:04 GMT
So far the fish are winning ..we got to the river yesterday and it was still somewhat coloured but we decided to give it a go ...i was using a dirty roach about six inch long and si was using a perch shad .second swim i triedi got hit ...on four occasions but it would not stay attached .confidence rose somewhat but it was a false dawn for over the next mile and a half of riverdespite tryong loadsof leres neither of us got any more interest .we feel the conditions beat us .
So after a stop of for lunch it was off to the lake .its exactly a mile around the lake and i tried every swim as no one else was fishing .
eventually the baliff turned up and we had a good chat ...seems someone lost agood pike last year and there have been a few jacks out ...the big fish we were told about was a few years back and they seem to of disappeared .we learnt there is a head of 600 carp to thirty seven and a good head of tench to almost nine pound .si went and got a marker rod and spent some more time featurefinding .he went all round the lake again i found it amusing that the baliff told me where he would find the gravel....when he returned i informed him i am going to start in that sixth swim along ...which of coarse is where he found the gravel...no flies on me ...then we went to the pub the hangover is gone now and iam off backdown the river to see if the colour is dropping out ..things have changed somewhat and i am cod fishing froma boat tommorow and back on the river monday .....i hope i dont blank all weekend .
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 10, 2012 16:54:42 GMT
It's a long learning curve, but I am sure you will make good progress.
Good luck with the rest of your free weekend.
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Post by cam on Nov 10, 2012 19:56:04 GMT
went backdown river and it looked a little clearer ..first cast snagged had to pull for a break and yep lost lure and leader.one of my favorite rapalas as well and to make it worse i had actually left lure box at home so i had to go back to the car and travel all the way back home ...500 yards ...back to the river i avoided the snag swim and dropped into the second swim on the walk ...third cast i made with a lumi shad with a red hook ..hey presto a pike about seven pound .nothing else for a the mile or so upstream so i returned to where i had caught the fish and promptly lost a fish just as i was to put the net under it ...same lure as well and this fish could of made a double ...oh well first pike on a shad ...
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 10, 2012 19:59:16 GMT
That double will be there for anoher day.
Well done mate, first on a shad? Well that's one more than me.
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Post by cam on Nov 10, 2012 20:08:20 GMT
yeah ive had a few on plugs in the past but not a shad..i have many shads ...used for cod mid summer....
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Post by Izzetafox on Nov 10, 2012 20:14:23 GMT
I think we have all had some in the box for years and never given them the effort that they deserve.
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Post by keithyg on Nov 10, 2012 20:14:36 GMT
Always painful losing a lure, always painful losing at the last minute too
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