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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 19, 2014 16:25:19 GMT
I want to buy a few pike flies ready for Pitsford opening. I have browsed a few sites but some of the pices are over the top for a fly when you consider the work that goes into an MH lures and what Mark charges.
Does anyone know someone who does good flies on good hooks as a hobby and sells them on. I would rather buy from an enthuastic amateur who does it to pay for his fishing rather than have to pay the retailers profit as well. I guess that's how Mark started and he still sells at sensible prices well below retailers. Or does that just make me tight?
Looking for trout, perch and roach types around 6" or whatever suits Pitsford and Ravensthorpe best.
Terry
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Post by Yakkin Sam on Jan 19, 2014 22:47:46 GMT
Friend of mine makes his own Pike flies, made me a few for Pollock and Cod as well. PM on it's way  |
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Post by philpot on Jan 20, 2014 8:17:22 GMT
As I have a little time on my hands  , I will make you a small selection to start you off and I might have a go at making some for ebay sales to fill in my time and with a bit of luck, bring in a few quid at the same time. When do you need them for Terry. Phil |
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 20, 2014 8:59:31 GMT
Phil, That is a great offer. Pitsford opens 1st of March and I will be looking to give it a go soon after that, weather and time permitting. I have seen perch, roach, brown and rainbows but any proven patterns you know. They have a minimum of 6" regulation. I will of course pay you Phil, at a time like this everything helps. Thanks Sam looking at them now.  Terry |
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Post by philpot on Jan 20, 2014 9:32:01 GMT
Do you have a rod/reel around 9-10# Terry because the big flies do need a heavier rod to launch them as well as needing some backbone for the pike themselves.
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 20, 2014 9:38:08 GMT
#8 at the minute Phil Wary of investing even more on tackle at the minute until Steph gets back to work.
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Post by philpot on Jan 20, 2014 10:32:13 GMT
Depends what the backbone of the rod is like Terry. I used to have a Greys 8 / 9# saltwater rod very capable of chucking big flies and of course we are not having to throw 25yds from the bank as we are already a distance out, in fact often casting to the reed covered banks that the shore angler cannot get to.
What lines have you got as you could go up a weight on most rods so a 9# may very well give you a bit more power when casting. I have a feeling that I may have a spare 9# floating line you can have.
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 20, 2014 14:28:36 GMT
I think the lines are all #8 as well Phil
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Post by philpot on Jan 20, 2014 16:09:08 GMT
I have just had a rummage in my fly fishing bag and yes I have a Toothy Gritter 9# weight forward floating line which needs a clean so I will reseal and polish it for you mate, it's yours. If you use a 25lb fluorcarbon leader approx 2mt with 12'' flex wire on the end, it will let you down to about 3mt which in winter may not be enough but it will come in handy and definately better than an 8# for casting. Most pike anglers now use RIO lines for big flies but not cheap. I would suggest when you get the line, warm it in the house, then with Steph's help, walk the line out and pull at each end to remove any memory it may have. You can do it on your own by tying to the car or to a post on site and walking it out to full length and pull it straight a couple of times which will improve the casting. If you like, I can leave it on the reel which is a spare to save you having to fanny about. You can borrow the reel, I dont want to give that away as it is always handy to have a spare although I have not used it for a few years but nevertheless you might as well use it as it is already set to go. I would love to come with you but it is such a long way and I have to be careful with the fuel now that I am having to buy the bloody stuff  Phil |
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 20, 2014 16:33:56 GMT
Phil, That is extremely generous and would save me stripping a line of my existing reel. I am doing a bit of browsing around but I must avoid temptation for now at least. Terry |
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Post by philpot on Jan 20, 2014 19:23:09 GMT
Oh how I now know that feeling Terry.
It is far better to use the reel and line as it allows you test it out without having to strip down your spools. Just washed it and is now ready for line polish / conditioner so it should be spot on.
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 20, 2014 19:28:04 GMT
You are a star.
Are you still up for the Big Rig?
I keep getting tempted....I MUST stay off the internet!!!!
Terry
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Post by philpot on Jan 20, 2014 19:50:46 GMT
I phoned Aaron first thing on Tuesday morning to cancel the Big Rig, just cannot do it Terry, I do have the cash but it will need to go a hell of a lot further now so a new kayak is out of the question. Not sure what is going to happen as I told Aaron that he could find a new home for the Cuda knowing that my kayak is landing this week. Hmmmm
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 20, 2014 19:57:18 GMT
Oh Phil, I am so sorry mate.  |
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Post by philpot on Jan 21, 2014 20:37:01 GMT
6 big pike flies, reel and line ready for you matey, just need to sort how to get them to you.
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 21, 2014 21:16:32 GMT
Let me know what I owe you Phil and cost of p&p I will very happily send it via Paypal if that suits? Really pleased. Just doing some negotiations on a Greys GS2 9ft #10 brand new, down to £50 still talking. |
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Post by philpot on Jan 21, 2014 21:48:59 GMT
£50------------that is good. I had a chuck with one but not as stiff as I like but that is just me, I like a sharp action to my fly rods probably because my casting is not smooth. They are a smooth rod but a 10# will not cast a 9# line very well as it does not load the rod. I tried it on my Greys Carnivore 10#, simply did not generate the line speed, the rod just felt under gunned so you will have to go for the 10# line which also means a bigger reel quite likely as the 10# RIO lines I have are much thicker than the 9# weight line I have for you. At the moment it is loaded on my spare 7/8# large arbor reel but I could not get the RIO 10# to fit with any backing line.
I hate saying this because I know you were not wanting to splash out so much right now but are you going to go the whole hog with rod, reel and line Terry or try to mix and match. If you are going for a reel, look on ebay, I got my Vision GT 11# with a spare spool and loaded with a 10# line for £80. I wanted a complete outfit that was saltwater proof for dual use but if fresh water only reel expect to pay less.
I can see the cash till starting to roll round.
Just had a quick look at Pike Shack, Simon has a RIO 10# line at £35, down from £40 but the Outbound Short I use is £60 so it is lower performance line which may not matter from the kayak.
May be an idea to have a chat on the phone Terry, are you working tomorrow.
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 21, 2014 22:04:49 GMT
I am out with mother in law, first wedding anniversary since lost her hubby. I am just browsing mate not splashing the cash yet. |
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Post by philpot on Jan 21, 2014 22:11:51 GMT
Okay, well I hope you all have a good day tomorrow.
Phil
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 21, 2014 22:24:26 GMT
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Post by philpot on Jan 22, 2014 12:14:58 GMT
This is quite interesting Terry because I know Simon at the Pike Shack has switched to 9# rods for his boat fishing and to be honest I was also going to go this route but decided on 10# so that I could do both boat/kayak and bank fly fishing. The 9# rods I had a play with are so much livelier to cast with and if I could afford it I would also buy a 9#.
At the price there rods are, I would have one in preference to the Greys GS2 any day of the week. Just to give you an idea to compare, I bought a Fladen 8/9#, soft as they come in terms of action but for £30 what can you expect however the rod has it's own feel so once I stopped trying to use it as I would use my three Greys rods, it started to come into it's own. No I don't like it but again for the money, you cant go wrong, now the GS2 comes into that same bracket, fine for the lighter line classes ie 6# or 7# but harder work with the heavier lines. This Rozemeijer rod sounds very good for the money and one that I have heard of before. In predator fly fishing, there are the well known brands but there are many made in the US which have bigger following than any of the brands sold here except perhaps Orvis so we don't know too much about them. If I were looking for a 9# now, I would take a punt on this because Sovereign have a good name and I don't think they will sell crap.
The other aspect is that you will make a 9# line fly far easier than a full bodied 10# line which does take some moving in a kayak and it is possible to use cheaper reels as the price seems to shoot up when you want to buy a 10/11# reel. The reel I am going to send you is a Greys GTX large arbor which will take 9# line and backing, the nearest reel to take 10# is a £100 more so there are some advantages to having a 9# set-up. It is possible of course that some of the new breed of 9# lines from the likes of RIO and Vision could also be a little to bulky for that reel but to start with at least, you won't have to lay out for a new reel and line as you can keep hold of mine for the near future as it is only my back up for trout which I never use as I switch to a 6# if needed and I can't remember the last time I went trout fishing so no issue there.
It may well be worth asking for a trial rod to review for the forum, that way you will at least be able to find out yourself what it feels like and perhaps we could meet up and do a few tests and compare with my 10# using the same flies, now that would be a good test.
Go for it
Phil
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Post by philpot on Jan 22, 2014 14:10:23 GMT
The plot thickens Terry, I have had a word with Sovereign regarding the rods and they have bought all the stock of rods that was made. The company has now closed so there won't be anymore. It is the owner of Sovereign who uses the rods and who wrote the small review and does predator fishing so the rods seem to have the backbone required linked to this, they sell a line called' Teeny' which has a very different structure to the other lines Like Rio etc. This structure has all the weight within the first 5mts whereas most are within 10-15mts. There is a colour change in the line to inform you once reached, let go because all the weight is out, no need to keep false casting. These lines have a very aggressive action which suits large flies and to be honest would suit my casting very much. This guy also told me that he casts from side to side instead of forward and backwards because of the size of predator flies and fishing afloat, it enables the angler to actually see the fly at all times. A tricky thing to learn but assures me of the advantages he has found by doing this method, food for thought when afloat with other kayaks/boats close by. I think this may well be just what you are looking for without breaking the bank and I told him that we fish from kayaks and that my friend is thinking of getting one so the door is open to have a chat and see if you can get one to test. I'm toying with the line idea, this is a bugger not having an income, I would have had no second thoughts here and bought both rod and line a couple of weeks ago Phil |
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 22, 2014 15:16:08 GMT
Phil thanks for that. It does look to be tried and tested by a pike man. I will have a look at the lines too. I thought from the comments on the site that it seemed ideal.
Sent from my HTC One using proboards
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 22, 2014 16:36:06 GMT
Only two of the Ross left anywhere do no deals available.  ? the lines do sound good. Sent from my HTC One using proboards |
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Post by esoxuk on Jan 22, 2014 17:31:25 GMT
Terry / Phil, The guy from Sovereign is well respected within the pike fly fishing circle and he has sponsered various competitions throughout the country. As for the Rossemier rod, although have never tried one I can vouch for the quality of gear with his name on. Bertus Rossemier is one of the worlds top predator anglers (look on the www.esoxworld.com/ site, he is a regular contributor and marketed his own rods in the Uk a few years ago. Due to a combination of pike anglers being a tight bunch and the competition from the likes of Greys and Fox all went tits up and he pulled out of the Uk. I've just got a Rio outbound short line 10wt floating, yes it was expensive but it has improved my casting no end. Phil |
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 22, 2014 18:43:30 GMT
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Post by philpot on Jan 22, 2014 21:02:17 GMT
Lefty Kreh rods have a good name but you have to remember Terry that salt water rods do not throw flies as big as pike flies even in the US so the blank is not required to do the same thing and may not perform to the level needed for casting. There is little doubt that they catch some hard fighting fish in the states such as permits and tarpon but that does not mean they will throw a big 6-9'' fly. My bet would still be on the Rozemeijer and I am thinking about it myself but I just can't, arghhhh
The price of the Teeny line sounds superb, well worth a punt.
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What rod are using the RIO on Phil, did you buy a new one. I find the RIO line to be a top line but heavy in the air but again that is probably me. This Teeny line appeals because I do have a few issues with my right forearm and a really short head will need far less false casting than a long belly line.
Phil
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Post by esoxuk on Jan 22, 2014 23:31:28 GMT
I'm using my Fox 9' 10wt predator elite Phil, I think you have had a couple of casts with it over at Scunthorpe.
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Post by Izzetafox on Jan 23, 2014 18:06:13 GMT
Now to throw the cat among the pigeons I may have the chance of getting a brand new Shimano Biocraft EV-A probably the #10 version at a very competitive price. Any one any comment, some of the fly forums compare them with rods twice the price and comment as good for pike.
Terry
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Post by philpot on Jan 23, 2014 22:23:22 GMT
Never heard of them so never seen one. Sorry can't help
Phil
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, I will make you a small selection to start you off and I might have a go at making some for ebay sales to fill in my time and with a bit of luck, bring in a few quid at the same time. When do you need them for Terry.
? the lines do sound good.