Pikers Pit forum.

[Izzetafox]

Lads,

I know your are all probably members of a load of forums but here is another that may interest.

I believe the 'name' behind it is Mr Fickling.

Terry


www.the-pikers-pit.co.uk/index.php

[jagdverband44]

Good to see you posting on there Terry

[ALtop]

Hi just had alook at the boating side of the forum found it interesting how one guy got himself a kayak and how the others soon became very interested.Just shows how addictive this kayak fishing gets.

[Izzetafox]

Oct 20, 2014 19:42:25 GMT jagdverband44 said:

Good to see you posting on there Terry

Strangely enough I have tended to avoid the specialist forums as it can all get just a bit too serious but someone suggested I should have a look as there were some kayak lads there.

Then lo and behold one of the guys I talked to at the PAC Convention says Hi.

Small world.

If I can offer some advice on getting into the sport and stop people making the mistakes I made 8 years ago then it is worthwhile.

Terry

[jagdverband44]

Terry I am sure if you are allowed to stick up a link that you will get a few more members here the thread mentioned above about the guy getting a kayak is proof of the growth area and a lot of the lads on there have like myself had several types of boat and come to the conclusion that as a grab and go method it can`t be beat ...the future is bright the future is a red sit on top kayak

[Izzetafox]

I have sent a pm to the Admin to ask if it's ok.

Some site owners get a bit funny about it. I have at lest 3 of the northern forums refuse me. Sad really but they make money out of their web presence mine just costs me money.

I have no qualms about links here I see sites as being complimentary to each other not competition.

Terry

[pikewhisperer]

That's where I found here from, the "Pit".. Not the place to go if your are of a sensitive nature

[Izzetafox]

And never ever mention the name of a water.

[Izzetafox]

Just rattle a change there in response to the infamous Mr Fickling.

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Neville Fickling wrote:
izzetafox wrote:
I have only just noticed this old thread. I want to correct a couple of points.

As Esoxuk says....you CAN fish the Notts AA stretch from the Farndon carpark upstream from a kayak. I negotiated this with the secretary personally but you must be a club member.

Other waters I have negotiated access for kayaks are Ravensthorpe and Pitsford. You can also fish Frisby Lakes near Melton Mowbray as well as Rudyard Lake, Bala and Langorse.

Terry

Well that's great you can't boat fish on Notts AA but you can in a Kayak, time to have a word with the secretary me thinks. Equal rights for all!

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Totally agree Nev. Equal rights for all.! Perhaps a list of all the venues where you can boat fish would be helpful so that the more environmentally friendly kayak anglers can share. :laughs:

Perhaps the equality would be achieved when ALL, not just the conscientious ones, boat anglers purchased all permits, navigation and fishing, along with consent before fishing. Along with observing all speed limits and safety guidelines. Whilst peacefully sat at anchor on the Farndon stretch more than once I have had boat anglers travel past me a excessive speeds causing a wash that could cause erosion and floatation devices are a none to common sight.

I repeat though that it is the reckless minority not the conscientious guys that spoil access. You know they are out there.

Terry

[pikewhisperer]

Dec 28, 2014 10:14:41 GMT Izzetafox said:

And never ever mention the name of a water.

No to be fair Terry, coming from the Pike fishing background one of the things that does not sit easy about Kayak fishing/fishermen is the liberal naming of waters particularly Pike waters. Pike really don't do well on repeat captures and I can well understand people getting a little miffed if their waters are openly mentioned on public forums. There is one water in that list you mentioned where the pike fishing has just begun to come back after quite a few years of being poor. Now this water has been pushed into the Angling press and internet by the "non Fishing" owners in all good intentions, but last time I was there you could not get a swim on the bank and there where quite a few boats out fishing, many by not very experienced Pike anglers or anglers that do not know how to handle them once they do catch one. To that end I know of 2 20lb fish caught that day that where in a very bad condition one even had half its throat hanging out where it looked like it had been dropped several times and hooks attempted to be removed just by pulling on the trace. Now obviously non of this is aimed at Kayak anglers as they probably represent a fraction of the people currently hitting this water but the pressure in general and the poor handling will probably kill off some of the good fish in this water again now. Privately people pass on information that's how it works but with the advent of the internet the pressure goes onto there waters almost overnight. To maintain good Pike Angling its really quite a prudent thing to keep some of the information close to your chest

[Izzetafox]

All I asked was for any info on Rav by pm if preferred. No pm's just a bit of a battering. A courteous message would have sufficed and I would have deleted. Stew was gracious enough to explain my error very politely.

I wouldn't reveal details of many waters but Rav and all the Anglian waters get loads of exposure.

Terry

[pikewhisperer]

I know what you mean but even waters that you think get a fair bit of publicity are still best kept low key. I had never heard of there till Dane mentioned it, now I'm not one to chase down a water but many are too quick to jump on the back of somebody else's hard work particularly off the Pit. Fish them by all means just keep it the good fishing to yourselves for fear it won't remain good fishing long. I also have a feeling that Kayak angling/anglers are looked upon with a fair bit of caution by many Pike anglers primarily because they would feel you can not unhook a pike safely from one ( we know you can, and there can and is worse handling done on boat and bank ) and also because many don't come from a Pike background they may just not see the importance of keeping things under your hat. many fishermen that don't fish for Pike mistakenly think because they are a top predator they are a tuff species that can handle a bit of rough handling, nothing could be further from the truth as I'm sure you know.  

[Deleted]

I tend to agree with most of the above comments. I would not openly disclose a good location on any forum, particularly if its somewhere that is not getting too much pressure or is a not so well known. The main reason I have for this is that I believe there are a lot of none members who troll these forums to try to pick up information, locations, etc without contributing.

If I have a good day, I post that I have done so without the location. I will then share this with any of the guys on here who you know are genuine good anglers who would do the same for you.

As Terry said a courteous message is all you need.I have had nothing be constructive comments and good advice on this forum even if the recipient doesn't agree with my views or comments.

I have read a lot of posts on the Pit and although the vast majority of members are obviously decent guys there seems to be too many others waiting to jump on someone just to get a kick out if it and a laugh from one of their mates. Some comments on there are just bang out of order. I suppose with the volume of members there are always likely to be a few idiots.

Ian

[Izzetafox]

Totally agree with all the comments lads.

That is why the only section on here that is closed to non members is Catch Reports. If you think it advisable we can keep location confident. Perhaps number them and send a PM to the 'known' members detailing which fishery is which number. I am guided by the members here as to what level of respect we show individual waters.

Would you include Pitsford in this non-disclosure ?

I appreciate you help on this lads.

Terry

[pikewhisperer]

I think its just all about being prudent without been ultra secretive, the "Pit" is special in terms of people just wanting an argument for the sake of it, its actually a little bit like that on the PAC Facebook page as well at times generally from non PAC members at that. Maybe Terry there is something in keeping some areas closed to non members I don't know, like I have said I have found nearly every Kayak angler to a man so far I have met to be a decent chap who are more than helpful, but you don't know who else is looking in. It is a tricky one for sure, as the whole ethos of a forum is to help people out and at the end of the day we have all benefited from hearing a snippet of information to lead us to a new water. Its just a few years ago that was word of mouth and new anglers turned up in a trickle, now it can be virtually over night.

[Izzetafox]

I know what you mean. I keep the rest of the forum totally open so people can dip in and out at will. The number of Guests per 24hrs often is over 200!

It is only the Catches that is members only and that will always be so.

The think is on AA and all the Kayak FB pages locations are shown, except as you say the PAC FB. Mind you when you take the arguments about wire or flour, fresh or dead dead, single or treble hooks etc the PAC page is not as busy as it looks.

Perhaps we should encourage an ethos of maintaining a level of confidence on some locations but happily disclose them by personal message.

[Stewart Laws]

Just my views on this Terry....the whole naming of waters is a divisive subject, usually those who have been around a bit longer witnessing the folly of publicly naming waters to the detriment appear more vehement, with reason.
As someone who is a relative newcomer to piking ( 10 years ) I was rather taken aback by the secrecy and thought it was just paranoid, up ones ar*e behaviour initially, I had a lovely 23LB pike on a spot secluded and miles from anywhere, it was witnessed by a bream angler who was fishing off the beaten track and the following week a tent city had sprung up on the place of capture.
A lesson learnt early on in my journey.

Even on places like Chew the captures of some are swim specific, and the secrecy surrounding it is paramount to being on that peg the following session, I've witnessed a change in boat behaviour this year as well with people suppressing their capture for fear of been surrounded at that moment in time by other boats.

Pm'ing information is for me the best way forward, an unwritten etiquette that serves the pike and the angler well.

If places that are readily in the public's domain, suddenly switch on and it was highlighted, the local chaps would not be enamoured towards anyone divulging information publicly on any forum, through respect to the pike I would err on the side of limiting information handed out publicly, of course through P'M then not an issue.

Not advocating censorship, just a level of sensibility.

Regards