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Post by dustylungs on Feb 5, 2015 16:34:24 GMT
Hi chaps, I'm new to kayak fishing so will be looking for some good advice at some point,will be going on the Trent when the weather picks up farndon looks nice so Looking forward to giving it a go.
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 5, 2015 18:55:26 GMT
Hiya Dusty welcome mate, I am just down the A46 from you in Leicester mate.
We have a few here from Leics, Notts, Lincs and S. Yorks.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 5, 2015 20:00:14 GMT
Thanks izzetafox, I'm looking at getting the river permit for the Trent ,was wondering does the permit run from the start of the year or start from the date you take it out, also I need to seal the rod holders that I'm putting in and not sure what's the best silicon to use. Thanks Dusty.
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 5, 2015 20:07:26 GMT
When you say 'River Permit' do you mean fishing or navigation?
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 5, 2015 20:34:35 GMT
Not sure, what's the best one to have.
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 5, 2015 20:40:50 GMT
Sorry forgot to say, kayak
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 5, 2015 21:21:07 GMT
To paddle on rivers and canals you need a navigation permit which can be bought from the Angling Trust or via British Canoe Union. Best sealant is a product called sikaflex but any quality silicone sealant will work. Best kayak? That's a massive subject. What size are you? Where are you going to be fishing? How much money have you got in your budget? The answers can mean a kayak from £250 to £2000. Try as many as you can to see which is best for YOU. Not sure if you asked all those questions but I answered just in case. Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 6, 2015 14:05:26 GMT
I've got feelfree gemini sport becouce when we go over to the North Norfolk coast my daughter tags along with me, I use to have a sevelor calarado but we out growne it ,had some good fun with it,my mate over in Norfolk always wanted me to go out fishing with it as he has a sit on kayak but I didn't like the thought of getting a blow out in the sea so I got a Gemini ,we got it a few week ago from Manchester c/k in Warrington,can't wait to take it out in the spring.
Dusty.
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 8, 2015 9:25:07 GMT
Thanks for the info on the silicon , popping over to the chandlery shop at farndon this morning ,going walk around and take a look at the fishing area as well , might have a pint in pub too !.Thanks Dusty.
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 8, 2015 17:59:16 GMT
Hi izzetafox, called in at farndon this morning the Trent looked well for the time of year river level looked near normal , like the look of the launch area,what's the river current like when paddling against it under normal conditions . Thanks Dusty
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 8, 2015 19:17:07 GMT
Not a problem Dusty. I in fact the wind can be harder to paddle against then the current. It's really deep just off from the platform to the left. Down to 25ft in the centre channel. But..... there are chub, bream, roach, barbel, zeds, pike, perch carp all in that area. Plus the odd cat as well. Plenty of choice and challenge. Also a great tackle shop a couple of miles away. Search for Future Fishing. Loads of local knowledge in there. Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 8, 2015 20:50:46 GMT
That's deep at 25ft having said that the trent gets some big boats passing through it, a few summers ago I was watching a chap fishing in his kayak at fiskerton just down stream from the bramly Apple pub he was after zander , have you been in that area fishing or just out for a paddle, on the other side of the bank its farm land never seen anyone fishing , lots of tree/large bushers on that bank, be just right for kayak fisher! . Dusty
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 8, 2015 21:28:23 GMT
I have paddled that stretch but not fished it. I went right up to Hazelford. The big problem half the time is getting consent from clubs to fish. It is a great length of river with so much potential. If you have any contacts it would be great for them to be approached. Notts AA are only interested in the stretch upstream of Farndon and will not give access to any more of their waters. Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 9, 2015 15:29:37 GMT
It's a shame you can't fish that part "yet"always a chance, the part from the bromly Apple down stream from were the houses are says private fishing and mooring I don't think it belongs to a club as it's got a good 20ft drop from foot path to water, then you get the bit were the small car park is same again 20 ft drop to water (no fishing) this goes all the way down the side of the road till you get to the large house with moorings, then notts piskatoriols start, were the 20ft area drops are is were I seen that chap in a kayak was fishing for sander,next time I'm over that way I will have a scout round, also have you ever paddled trent at North muskham ferry boat pub, nice for putting kayak in! Had a pint there last year. Dusty.
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 9, 2015 16:27:57 GMT
No only paddled Farndon to The lock upstream and the town down stream. Any info would be great Dusty. Cheers mate. Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 9, 2015 17:30:34 GMT
Ok then, the pub at North muskham is called, "the muskham ferry" post code NG236HB, best to ask the pub owner if it's ok to use car park and have a pint or two later after paddling, do food as well, the slip way is nice with a slight fall to waters edge then shallow gravel from what I can remember, about 1mile down river is the mighty cromwell loch , head up river from pub and you head toward winthorpe and the A1 gravel pits at South muskham, fished all this area in my youth!, the river in this area is about the same width as fiskerton get on Google earth and take a look. need to ask you or other members about best type of kayak clothing at some point. Thanks.Dusty
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 9, 2015 22:20:21 GMT
This time of year Dusty dry suit is the best option or a cagoule and dry trousers but they must be good quality. Then layers of clothing underneath.
It can get very cold when you are stationary especially your feet. So wear 2/3 layers of socks loose if possible so they trap layers of warm air.
If you have to paddle far be careful about wearing too much as you will sweat and overheat. If you do get cold pull over to the bank and have a walk for 10 minutes to get your circulation going again.
Wear a good hat too and perhaps a balaclava to keep your ears warm.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 10, 2015 15:47:11 GMT
Thanks for that Izzeat, will get this summer under my belt to see how I go on with the river side of things,now with me being new to all this kayaking lark my next question is this, when out on the river is it wise to have one of them anchor kits or do you get them snagged when useing when on the trent fishing or is it a good practice to have one on board just in case? And doyou kayaking chaps and lasses Carrie a length of rope to use as a throw line . Thanks Dusty.
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 10, 2015 16:47:30 GMT
I always have an anchor on the Trent Dusty.
A simple one that is ideal for rivers and slitters is to get an eye bolt, thread it through the bottom of a plant pot, put a washer and a nut on the bottom they fill the pot with concrete.
Solid as a rock, cheap and easy to replace. You can use all sort of other weights too. The thing is that the traditional grapnel anchor can often snag with the debris in rivers.
You don't always need an anchor though you can use a tree anchor. This is a form of spring clip onto which you add a length of cord. You then just clip to branches etc to tether your kayak. Another option if there are rushes is to have your paddle leashed and then through the paddle into the rushes parallel to the bank. The paddle will ether you nicely to the rushes. Rather than buying a tree anchor though get hold of one of those last work clamps, drill a hole in the handle and thread some cord through it and use that as your tree anchor.
If you ft an anchor trolley with a ring and a carabiner joining it you can just unclip it and use that as a throw line/tow rope. Having said that for longer lengths some do carry throw lines.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 10, 2015 17:54:48 GMT
Thanks for that Izzet, have you ever used them thigh straps ,are they anygood? Have you found time to look at South muskham, the Trent at gunthorpe lookes good as well. thanks for the advice. Dusty
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 10, 2015 19:17:10 GMT
No Dusty, never felt the need for thigh straps on a sot on freshwater. Very few people use them unless they are playing in the surf where you need to be 'at one' with the kayak.
No mate the only stretch I have got to in recent years is Farndon. I would love to have access to more of the river though.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 11, 2015 18:52:34 GMT
Hi Terry, do you have the answer to this, if a fishing club have the rights to fish 1 side or a river but not the other side lets say the other side is farm land does that side of the river bank belong to the farmer? , If so then does the fishing club only have 50% of the width of the river that they have control of, if that's how it works then can the farmer give permission to fish his side of the river. Thanks Dusty
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 11, 2015 19:56:13 GMT
That's right mate on rivers fishing rights for each bank only reach to the mid-line of that river. Canals are slightly different, there the club that has rights to the tow path have rights for the full width.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 11, 2015 20:04:45 GMT
Thanks for that Terry, will take note who's got what when out walking around the Trent. Dusty
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 11, 2015 20:51:01 GMT
No problem mate it's all a learning cure many have asked in the past and more will ask in the future.
It is always best to have the facts in case some idiot challenges you.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 12, 2015 16:00:30 GMT
Hi Terry, more questions for you mate, when on the Trent have you ever had the misfortune of having one of them big British waterways aggregate bargers coming your way!
The reason I ask is 20+ years ago I was fishing on the bank at North muskham when one came down the river, the skipper of the barge had got the boats PA on warning fishermen to hold onto there keep nets or risk loosing them strange I thought.
As the barge got closer the water level of the river dropped rather fast, I grabed my keep net and got back up the bank as the barge passed the water came back with some force, the only good thing to come out of it was that the pull of the water dragged a dead sheep out the side of my swim , thank god as it was mid summer and starting to smell!!
So have you or have any of your mates been in this sort of situatin with big water craft,what's the best safest way to handle this kind of a problem.
Dusty.
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 12, 2015 16:32:55 GMT
I have never kayaked the tidal Trent but a few of the lads have. I have match fished there and seen the water vanish and then flood. Mad rush to get the gear up the bank. I think a lot of the lads aim for a couple of hours before and after low water when the barges cannot travel. Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 12, 2015 19:28:21 GMT
That's a good idea going out at low water, the barge that I had the experience with was on the none title part, midd week if I remember right I don't think the work weekends when lots of pleasure boats are on the move.
The lower part of Trent doesn't appeal to me seems to dirty, think the lowest I would trie would be church Lainham near Dunham bridge.
If you were paddling on a river and you had a big boat coming up behind you would you turn and face the bow wave head on.
Dusty.
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Post by Izzetafox on Feb 12, 2015 19:53:14 GMT
If possible yes but the yak can take a lot. When you say turn ...you should aim to have the bow at 90 degrees to the wave as opposed to directly upstream mate.
Terry
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Post by dustylungs on Feb 13, 2015 18:45:10 GMT
Hi Terry, The navigation permit that you have for the rivers is it the enviroment agency that do the checks to see if you have one ? Dusty
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